When you look at china's SSE or hang seng, they look uninvestable due to many factors but a big one is the lack of real gains. This isn't unique to china, the U.S' S&P500 had a 0% return from 2000 to 2013. During the late 2000s and even early 2010s, for Americans that were investing then, what was the sentiment of the S&P like?