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TLS is 65% post-quantum now and it's the least important thing we could have fixed

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Sep 21, 2026 · 22:37

Cloudflare says about two thirds of the human traffic on their network is already PQ. Google put a 2029 date on finishing their migration. Every PQ readiness writeup this month leads with those two numbers like the job's mostly done.

I think the numbers are real and the framing is backwards. TLS was the easy part. Three companies control the browser and the edge, kyber is cheap, nobody had to change their behaviour, so it happened. Good. But look at what "harvest now, decrypt later" actually threatens. It's not the TLS session you'll open tomorrow. It's the ten years of sessions someone's already recorded, and no migration on earth un-records those. That damage is done and it's weird how rarely anyone says so out loud.

Then look at where the long-lived secrets actually live. Disk encryption keys wrapped with RSA on a TPM. Backups encrypted to an ECC key from 2018. SSH keys. Every code signing and firmware signing chain on the planet, which is signatures, which is the part of PQ that's still ugly (dilithium sigs are 2.4 KB, sphincs is worse, and a lot of boot ROMs can't hold either). Messaging got PQ key exchange but most of it still authenticates with classical signatures. None of that is at 65%. Most of it's at zero and has no date.

So the migration that got done is the one that was easy to measure, and the migration that matters is the one nobody can measure, so it isn't on anyone's slide.

Where I'm probably wrong: maybe TLS first is right because it's where the volume is, and volume is what a harvest attack feeds on. And maybe signatures genuinely don't need to move until there's an actual machine, since you can't forge a signature retroactively the way you can decrypt a recording. That second one I half believe. But "we'll do signatures when the quantum computer exists" means every device with a burned-in classical root key is stuck trusting a forgeable signer the day it exists, and nobody's re-flashing a billion boot ROMs in a hurry.

Am I underrating what's actually been done outside TLS? Is anyone here doing a real at-rest or signing migration and not just the handshake? And is there a good argument that the harvest-now problem was already lost before 2024, so we should stop pretending the 2029 dates fix it?