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Do you use margin with value investing? How do you quantify the risk?

Hi,

I’ve been picking value stocks for the past four years and have had reasonably good results. That said, almost everyone has benefited from a strong market over much of that period, and I’m not convinced that my unleveraged stock picking has consistently outperformed the S&P 500 on a risk-adjusted basis.

What I’ve been experimenting with instead is using moderate margin leverage alongside a value-oriented portfolio. My reasoning is that if I am buying companies with a substantial margin of safety and avoiding extremely expensive or highly speculative stocks, the downside distribution may be somewhat more favorable than for a more aggressive growth portfolio.

The main problem is how to quantify the additional risk created by leverage. So far, I’ve been estimating the probability of reaching a margin-call threshold using historical price movements of the underlying positions. I don’t treat this as a guarantee or forecast, but rather as a way to measure how vulnerable the current portfolio is. If the estimated risk becomes too high, I would consider deleveraging. The key term here is probability, ie "based on random sampling of day to day historic movement of underlying stocks, what is the probability I will reach a margin call within next year ?"

Does anyone here use a similar approach? If you use margin with a long-term value portfolio, how do you decide how much leverage is reasonable, and how do you protect against a posible margin call ?